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And All Was Said (Spike/Xander, NC-17) Part 8 (End)

Title:  And All Was Said (Part 8, the end)
Author:  baudown
Pairing:  Spike/Xander
Rating:  NC-17
Disclaimer:  Don't own them.  Very much love them..
Summary:  Xander's got a little something on the side.  Alternate season 5ish where nothing whatsoever is happening to any other characters.
Note:  Thanks to everyone who read this, and especially to those who were so encouraging with comments and figuratively held my hand and eased my anxieties about this story.
Feedback:  Please.  It means a great deal.

Parts 1-7 are here:  http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=baudown&keyword=And%20All%20Was%20Said&filter=all






Spike's AWOL for nearly a week, returning tense and tight-lipped, with a vicious slice across his cheek, and a limp.  No one inquires about his absence or his injuries, and he volunteers nothing.  

Xander expects rage, or bitterness, or scorn.  He's earned those things, deserves them, and he waits hopefully for punishment, but Spike doesn't deliver.  Instead, there's a strained solicitousness between them, a kind of after-you-no-after-you exaggerated courtesy.  But it settles down into something approaching a distant normalcy, and no one would guess that there had ever been anything out of the ordinary between them.  That they had touched each other with stroking hands and tasted each other with hungry mouths and clung to each other and cried each other's names when they came.  And when Thursday passes, and then the one after that, and then the next, Spike doesn't say anything, and neither does he.  They nod hello and patrol and wipe out a nest of Gak demons.  They share a table at the Bronze when Spike comes upon them celebrating Willow's birthday.  It's like it was before, more or less.

Except.  Except.

Except things draw to a close with Anya, and when the end comes, it's neither with a whimper, nor a bang.  

Thinking back on it, in a tardy attempt to make sense of their history, Xander remembers a time, early on, when he'd seen Anya the same way everyone else did.  Annoyed and put off by the rude bluntness, the embarrassing faux pas, the giddy greed.  The way she stuck to him, with gluey persistence.  But as days bled into weeks, and weeks into months, his thoughts adjusted themselves, like gears click-clicking into place; until one day, without his even noticing, those very things became a part of what he loved about her.  Became the reasons that he loved her.

Then, in equally imperceptible increments, the gears commenced shifting back.  And at precisely the same time, Anya began to see that neither a new apartment, nor a big promotion, nor her own valiant efforts would succeed in changing him.  Understanding, despite herself, that the divide between who he was, and who she'd hoped he would be was probably insurmountable.  That to him, she would never come first.  Hating him for it, and herself, too.  Holding on tight, because what else could she do; but injured, and desperate, and always, always angry.

All these months, he'd told himself that being with Spike allowed him to be more generous toward Anya; to see her again with loving eyes; to make her happy.  Of course, these were lies.  Deceiving himself, so that he could behave obliviously, callously, like the greedy prick he really is.  His father's son, after all.  Taking what he wanted with grabby hands, as if he were entitled to it.  Sex with Spike, and a life with her.  Using them both, and it disgusts him.

Anyway, Spike's gone now, or good as gone, and the less he dwells on that, the better.  Nothing for it, as Spike would say, and Xander can practically hear his shrugging inflection.  But Anya's still here -- tenaciously here -- and he vows to make it up to her.  He comes home wielding flowers.  He feigns interest in ceramics.

He's too late, though, by far.  Things have worsened while he wasn't looking, and he stares helplessly at the mess he's made.  For a time, the arguments escalate, and their life together is a minefield -- every misstep unearthing old allegations or fresh accusations, and then, the inescapable explosions.  But somehow, teeth gritted, nerves steeled, they pass through the perilous landscape, and into a safe, accepting, day-to-day dullness.  They grow polite and careful with each other, saying nothing that might give offense.  Saying nothing much at all, really.

They're eating dinner one evening, talking over the day's detritus -- a misrouted shipment of K'retl musk, a stolen bale of copper wire, a tune-up for the car.  And suddenly, he feels a nervous flutter beneath his ribs; and it takes a moment, but he recognizes the sensation as nostalgia.  He's nostalgic for nights like this, for the two of them, as if remembering, with wistful fondness, a time long past.  He breathes in sharply, and when he looks up, stricken, there are tears on Anya's face, and she's smiling a sad, crooked smile.  And although the next weeks bring harsh words and raised voices, that night, at least, they're kind to each other, sitting together on the couch, hands clasped; and lying in bed, holding each other close, until morning comes.

The apartment seems big, when she leaves.  Ghostly outlines hang below vacant picture hooks; drawers yawn emptily without her clothes; the kitchen's been stripped bare.  There's a sense of things gone missing.  Occasionally, he stumbles across something of hers, left behind -- an amethyst earring misplaced months before, an article about money-market funds torn from a magazine -- and these evoke in him a loneliness that's nearly unbearable.  

Xander walks through his days on mechanical feet.  Work, patrol, home.  Held together by the stitches of routine.  Forced forward only by momentum, and he's thankful for it, but it's not enough.  And there are times when the stitches no longer hold, and momentum no longer propels, and there are too many hours when he finds himself able to do little more than lift a glass.  Calling in sick, now and then, and begging off patrol, with one parroted excuse or another.  He sleeps poorly, restlessly, waking always in the uneasy grip of an unremembered dream.

It's true, he'd always been terrified of losing her.  But when the time finally came, it had been unavoidable, necessary, and he'd even believed himself ready.  So he's surprised, in some murky way, by his own response to her departure.  He must have been even more deeply anchored to her than he knew; or at least, to the idea of her, and of their life together.  Now, unmoored, he drifts.  Leaving the house seems like a lot of work.  Food can be delivered, if you want it.  Liquor, too.  Laundry piles in corners, and he decides to grow a beard.  Or anyway, he stops shaving.  It seems such a useless exercise, when it just grows back, and it's always the same stubbled face reflected in the morning mirror. 

The epiphany comes one morning, over coffee with Willow.  He's been dreading the one-on-one, face-to-face, post-break-up post-mortem.  Keeping to himself as much as possible, even when he manages to suffer the company of others.  Avoiding her phone calls, declining her invitations, dodging each attempt to cull him from the group for a private chat.  But she corners him at the apartment early one Saturday, appearing unannounced, with lattes and donuts and resolve face.  He holds up his hands in surrender.

Xander sees her consternation as they pick their way through the littered living room, sidestepping pizza boxes and beer bottles and dirty, discarded clothing.  He guesses it's pretty bad in here, but he can't bring himself to care.  It's comforting, in a way, to have his outsides match his insides.

She blithers for a bit about school, and Tara, and some research she's doing with Giles; and then, preliminaries dispatched, she turns to item one on her agenda.

"I know break-ups are difficult, believe me," she begins, "but you can't isolate yourself.  You can't just shut down like this."

"You're right, you're absolutely right."  He summons the will to nod energetically. "I'm gonna get better about that."

She looks around at the chaos with a frown.  "And, no offense, but -- well, I'm kind of amazed that you're taking it this hard.  I mean, don't get me wrong, of course you're upset.  But even so, I have to say, it's always seemed pretty much -- um -- inevitable to me."  She pokes idly at an overturned shot glass, and he watches it roll in a sticky arc between them.  "What I can't figure out," she continues, genuinely perplexed, "is how you never saw it coming.  Other than by being total avoidance-guy, that is.  Like, the two of you fought constantly!  And what did you talk about when you weren't fighting, anyway?  I could never imagine it.  What did you have in common?  You were like apples and oranges!"

"Although, tasty in a fruit salad," he says, a memory stirring at the feeble joke.  It's a reflex, really.  He's not arguing.

"Oil and water, then.  Unmixy things.  Let's face it -- you're not just from different worlds, you're from different centuries!  I mean, the age difference alone!  And, uh, the whole demon thing pretty much screams bad relationship choice."  

He nods some more.  Her logic is irrefutable.  It was doomed from the start.

She places a hand on his, and smiles a warm, encouraging smile.  "And, hey, best friend here!  Don't forget -- it's my sworn duty as such to ply you with cookie dough ice cream until your broken heart is fully mended."  Her brow scrunches thoughtfully.  "Or is that just for girls?  I don't want to undermine your masculinity, not that I could, 'cause you've got buckets of it, mister."  She pauses, processing the possibilities.  "Some kind of...sci-fi marathon, maybe?" she offers gamely.  "Or -- or whatever it takes to put her behind you."

Her.  Put her behind you.  She's been talking about Anya, of course; he knew that.  But he's shocked anyway, hearing clearly in that instant the telltale truth of his heart.  Beating away at him, from behind a bricked up wall.

He's been living for weeks with a hard, empty fist inside him; an absence as basic and consuming as hunger or thirst or grief.  It's Spike that he misses; Spike he's been mourning.  Spike's face he's seen, every night in his dreams.  Spike's face as it looked the moment Xander had answered.  The moment he'd told Spike no.

He feels battered, suddenly -- by regret, remorse, desire -- so powerful that he's punch-drunk and reeling with it.  Bright spots blaze before his eyes, and Willow's words recede into meaningless noise.  He isn't sure if time is moving slowly, or quickly, or just standing still.  But even when he's able to focus on her face, shining with misdirected sympathy, when he can hear her voice over the rushing in his ears, all he can think is that he needs to see Spike.  That he has to see Spike, right now.

He behaves for the interminable remainder of her visit like an actor in a well-rehearsed play.  Willow delivers her lines, and he gestures and smiles and answers on cue.  And the moment she exits stage right, he's grabbing his keys and he's gone.

He doesn't run the entire length of the cemetery; only the last hundred yards or so.  Still, he's winded, panting noisily as he bursts into the crypt.

"What's after you?" Spike shouts, tearing toward him.  He plunges heedlessly through the door, coiled and ready to pounce; but sunlight forces him to beat a reluctant retreat.  He's singed, and smoke trails from him in thin, climbing tendrils.

Xander blinks at him, eyes adjusting from daylight to darkness.  Spike looks pale and thin, which is stupid, because he's always pale and thin.  But this is different, somehow.  He seems brittle-boned, skin ashy instead of alabaster, the filigree of blue veins starkly prominent.   

"Nothing there now," Spike says.  He gives Xander a close, searching look.  "You hurt?"

"I...no, uh, I..."  It strikes him that it might've been the wiser course to prepare in advance what he was going to say.  Because all at once, he's utterly uncertain of what that is.

Spike eyes him narrowly.  "What are you doing here, Harris?"

"I guess...I guess...I came to see you," Xander says, but it isn't nearly what he means.

Spike raises his chin, head cocked at a stubborn angle.  He makes a sound that's not really a laugh.  "Did you, now?  So -- your girl tosses your sorry arse out, and what?  You come crawling back to me?  Take what I can get, that it?   As if I've been hanging about, just waiting for the likes of you to pay me a call.  And I'm supposed to be grateful, I reckon?  Roll out the red carpet?  Welcome you with open arms?"  His lip curls disdainfully.  "Or is it just my arse you want?" 

"It's not like that," Xander says, lamely.

"No?" he asks.  "I think our sordid little history proves otherwise."

Xander cringes at the words, at what's in Spike's voice, because it isn't rage, or bitterness, or scorn -- it's disgust.  As if Spike can't stand the sight of him, as if he hates him, the way he used to hate him, back when Xander couldn't care less whether Spike hated him or not.  When he welcomed Spike's hatred, even sought it out, provoked it.  But it feels to him like that was such a long, long time ago.  

Spike's pacing stiffly, fists and face clenched.  He whirls around, slamming his knuckles into the wall; and his hand comes away torn and bloody, though he seems not to notice.  I'm sorry hand, Xander thinks.

"I'm a fucking vampire, understand?  I'm the bloody big bad, I'm evil, I'm...I'm...and over a human, a child, a pathetic tosser who didn't even know how to fuck properly 'til he met me!"  He stops and fixes Xander with an icy stare.  And then he flinches, and there's a rippling under his skin, like he's about to slip into game face.  But when it passes, his face is still human, defenseless and bare; and when he speaks, he sounds resigned.  He sounds ruined.  "What do you want?" he asks.  

And there it is -- the million dollar question.  He wants Spike, of course, but the answer isn't that simple.  He wants what they had before.  But it seems like too much to ask, or too little, because Spike is after something different, now.  Something more, and Xander doesn't know that he can give it.  Doesn't know that he's got it in him.  And it's not about admitting to himself, to everyone, that he's...okay, that he's gay.  That part is surprisingly easy -- it only tilts his world a little.  But what spins it off its axis is the thought of being with Spike.  Of really being with Spike.  Of opening his life to this dead man.  Because whatever Spike's become, the fact is, he's still a vampire.  He always will be, and Willow is probably right.  It's probably impossible.  It's probably doomed.  It's foolhardy and dangerous, and Xander isn't brave.  And he'd have to be, wouldn't he?  To make room in his heart for a heart that doesn't beat?  To make room in his heart?

And yet, he yearns for Spike.  For the embrace of his body, for his shuttered kindness, to look forever on the shadowed planes of his face.

"I don't know," he says, weakly, ashamed. 

"You really don't, do you?"  Spike scoffs, and his face and voice are glacial again.  "Take on every nasty that comes your way, and you're still a bloody coward.  Worst kind of coward -- man who can't accept who he is.  What he wants.  Disgraceful, that.  Well, I'm not gonna do it.  Not again."

"Do what?" Xander asks.

"Waste my time mooning after something I can't have.  Not gonna wait around and play the lapdog while you get yourself sorted.  Got another thing coming if you think I will.  You're a thoughtless, self-centered, unfeeling...You're a rotten, selfish bastard, and I won't.  I won't.  You're not worth it, Harris.  It's me saying no this time, all right?  I don't want you."

Xander shuts his eyes, nodding, and in some ways, it's almost a relief to hear the worst.  He hasn't understood, until now, that he's been clinging by his fingertips to a hope he's kept even from himself.  Barely aware of the exhausting effort it's taken, and now he can let go, fall, crash.  It's not a surprise to him, not really.  The surprise is what happens next, because when he opens his mouth to say okay, to apologize, to offer a goodbye, what comes out instead is a loud, ragged sob.  And he's crying, in great, unstoppable, hiccuping gasps, sliding to the floor, curling in on himself, covering his face.

Spike is standing next to him, immovable and silent as stone.  Time passes with a tense tick tick tick.  And then, Spike sags a little, sighs a little, and eases himself to the floor.

"You're a right mess, you know that, Harris?"

Xander scrubs clumsily at his face.  "I need -- I need -- a shave," he chokes out between sobs.

"You need a shower," Spike says, sniffing at him with mock distaste.  Xander feels a palm glancing over his ribs.  "And a proper meal, looks like," he adds, which makes Xander weep even harder.

Spike puts a hand to the back of Xander's neck.  "It's all right," he says.  His thumb is rubbing in smooth, calming circles.  "Xander, it’s all right.  I'm not going anywhere.  I'm here, love.  I'm staying right here."

It's so selfless and unexpected, and he's so thankful for it, that Xander thinks he might never stop crying.  But instead, Spike's hand and voice, his words, his certain, solid presence, bring the tears to an end; and he feels himself relaxing, breathing more evenly.  He wonders whether this comes naturally to Spike, or whether it's the result of a century of practice: this ability to gentle someone out of feeling distressed, despairing, crazy.  This talent for tending to broken things.

He feels Spike's eyes on him.  Stares up into that endless blue gaze.  

"What do you want, Spike?" he asks.

Spike seems startled by the question, by Xander's emphasis on the word you, and it makes Xander ache for him.

"Doesn't matter," he replies.  But he's looking intently at Xander's face.  At his mouth. 

Xander takes a breath, and turns to rest his head on Spike's shoulder.  It's not quite right, it's not an answer, and they both know it.  But it's what he needs, what he can manage; and maybe it will get him by, maybe it's enough for now, because after a moment, Spike's head dips down, and he buries his face in Xander's hair.

They sit like that for a bit, and it's nice.  Xander feels peaceful and unhurried.  Spike's not pressing him, and he's not going to.  Spike wants more, he wants a world of more, but he's not going to demand it.  Xander could sit here forever, if he chose, with his head on Spike's shoulder; and Spike wouldn't push him away.

Xander gets it, then.  Gets that this is how Spike loves him: by waiting, and trying, and accepting what's given.  By taking care of what he holds dear.  By wanting, above all, for Xander to be okay.  For Xander to be happy.  And suddenly, it's more than just nice, sitting there with Spike, because Xander gets that he is happy -- really and truly happy.  That he's happy being with Spike.  That he's happy because of Spike.  That he can make Spike happy, too.  That he can love Spike, if he lets himself.  And he thinks that probably he's known this all along, and it's scared him, but he's not scared, anymore.  

A kind of serenity washes over him.  A perfect contentment, like he's where he's supposed to be in the world, and it's a pretty great place.  As if he's floating safely in the vast, gentle warmth of an ocean; and he can feel its rise and fall, see a wind-swept shore; and there are sun-capped waves like phosphorescence, the taste of salt, a sea-bird’s cry; and buoyancy, and bliss.  

He wants to stay just where he is; to never move again.  He's afraid to break the spell, to lose this moment.  But he can't help it, he shifts and wraps his arms around Spike, fingers twining in the cloth of his shirt.  He fits there so right that it makes him sigh with his whole body.  And he thinks that Spike gets it, that he knows what it means, but he lifts his head to see.

Spike is looking at him like a man who's touched a little piece of heaven, and isn't letting go.  Lit up inside, glowing, incandescently beautiful.  There's a light in his eyes, too, warm, and steady; and his lips are slightly parted, showing just the tip of his tongue.  Xander's pulse quickens, but his mind turns slow and dull with longing, and love.

Xander should say something, and he tries to think; but who knows, maybe a part of his brain has shorted out.  There are thoughts in there, but they keep skittering away before he can make out their meaning.  He can only grasp individual words as they drift through his head, disconnected from one another.  Words like yes, and you, and yours.  Words like please, and always, and us.  Until finally, one thought snags, and catches, and holds, long enough for him to understand it clearly; and this time, he even says it aloud.

"I'm here, love.  I'm staying right here."

Then he gives up trying to think, as he closes his eyes, and opens his mouth, to the vampire's kiss.

The End

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"How did it happen that their lips came together? How does it happen that birds sing, that snow melts, that the rose unfolds, that the dawn whitens behind the stark shapes of trees on the quivering summit of the hill? A kiss, and all was said." -- Victor Hugo



[identity profile] angelkitty101.livejournal.com 2012-10-21 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, oh what a beautiful ending *wipes away a tear*. That was perfect. Thank you *mwah*

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much for sticking with this from the beginning, and for all your lovely comments. Really happy you enjoyed it.

[identity profile] kahuna-burger.livejournal.com 2012-10-21 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I cry real tears. Poor Spike tries so hard not to care, but he can't help it. Hugs both boys!

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Tears are good!

Yes, Spike can't help himself, can he? And neither can I, because I can't resist giving him what he wants.

Thank you!

[identity profile] sparrow2000.livejournal.com 2012-10-21 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
" Instead, there's a strained solicitousness between them, a kind of after-you-no-after-you exaggerated courtesy." That's a wonderful summation of that kind of barren emotional no-mans-land.

The section with Xander and Anya at the dinner table made me cry.

"I'm here, love. I'm staying right here." Sigh, now I'm going to sniffle again.

Bravo hon, this has been a wonderful satisfying ride. One of the reasons we love these two is because they are so screwed up and needy, and you've made the two of them so logical that it couldn't end any other way

Applauds.

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, gee. Such wonderful comments. I'm so glad you found it satisfying, because as you know, this whole story really scared me.

I can't thank you enough for your kind words, not just about this story, but really, since I took the plunge and started writing a year and a half ago. Your feedback has been very important to me.

And I couldn't resist a happy ending -- not after what I've put Spike through!

[identity profile] eyezrthewindows.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Thank God for happy endings. Wonderful story and I'm glad they finally came together and Xander pulled his head from his ass, lol.

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a happy endings kind of girl, even if I torture them (and you!) for a while first.

So glad you liked it, and thanks so much for letting me know.

[identity profile] sorot.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Wonderful! I'm so happy you shared your beautiful writings. I finally had time to read again and I am so happy to start the evening relaxing (and crying) with your story's end. My heart goes to Spike, you made him so beautifully REAL that even if the story was on Xander's pov, all his emotions were so raw and I am so happy so happy Xander did and said what I think was the most honest feeling I've read.

Thank you!

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
I love Spike so much. My heart just breaks for him. I'm so pleased you got a good sense of him even though it is Xander's POV. And yes, I had to make Xander finally see the light, because I couldn't bear to have Spike accept less than he wants and needs.

Thanks so much for reading, and enjoying, and for this wonderful feedback.

[identity profile] chaoskir.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad Xander came to his senses at the end!
Thank you!! I needed a happy ending here. Well done!

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. Happy you liked it.

[identity profile] 5wordsorless.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for sharing this story with us, that was hot, sweet, sad, insightful and with a happy ending, so I think I couldn't ask more.
Both Xander and Spike are wonderfully characterized, with few words you just managed to get to the core of them.
I really loved it even if the last week, waiting for this part, has been hard (you were vague enough in your comments and I wasn't quite sure you would put the boys toghether in the end).

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
And I couldn't ask for more than to get feedback as great as this!

I got so nervous about this last part based on people's comments that there was no realistic way to get them back together. I was very tempted to discuss it, because I panicked that it was rushed or maybe dishonest. It was really hard to respond to people without giving the ending away. So I'm very glad that it worked for you.

Thanks so much for commenting.

[identity profile] spike-1790.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad they found their happy ending eventually :) Absolutely lovely :)

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-10-22 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much! And yeah, I'm just a sucker for a happy ending.

[identity profile] dimestorefind.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really, really, really sorry that I didn't get to comment before now on this last part of the story. I feel really awful, truly. I rationalized to myself that my absence would not be missed. Then I volleyed between knowing I was being ridiculous and of course it would be missed, and then feeling like I was being laughably conceited for the thought.

Enough justification! Excuses aren't going to make up lost time so I'll just get to it.

In your other comment you said you suspected that I'd have problems with this final chapter, but actually I liked it. I just wanted to get that out there right away rather than make you read through all the rest (or scroll to the end) before you could see where I stood.

I'll start with Spike, who was excellent: Spike's AWOL for nearly a week, returning tense and tight-lipped, with a vicious slice across his cheek, and a limp./Xander expects rage, or bitterness...but Spike doesn't deliver. Instead, there's a strained solicitousness between them, a kind of after-you-no-after-you exaggerated courtesy./Spike raises his chin, head cocked at a stubborn angle./He seems brittle-boned, skin ashy instead of alabaster, the filigree of blue veins starkly prominent. This is exactly how I imagine Spike to be; we've seen before that when something bad happens to him he tends to take it out on himself in some way: self-neglect, drunkenness, fights, etc. I also think it's very true to form that while in this case Spike may blame or resent Xander for what happened he doesn't take it out on him, that he would see it more as his own failing for getting too attached because he knew what this was about from the start.

I also liked how you dealt with the Anya Situation. She and Xander have been in a death spiral since the beginning of the story, even though Xander rationalized differently to himself (he'd told himself that being with Spike allowed him to be more generous toward Anya...Of course, these were lies. /His father's son, after all…Using them both, and it disgusts him./He's too late, though, by far. Things have worsened while he wasn't looking, and he stares helplessly at the mess he's made. ). While I wouldn't've minded seeing a confrontation between Anya and Xander, I think it's equally true to form that things just ended between them without much fanfare. It may well be that things would have played out the same way even in the event of such a confrontation. Just as it felt like they kind of fell into a relationship (Xander remembers a time, early on, when he'd seen Anya the same way everyone else did. Annoyed and put off by the rude bluntness, the embarrassing faux pas, the giddy greed. The way she stuck to him, with gluey persistence. But as days bled into weeks, and weeks into months, his thoughts adjusted themselves, like gears click-clicking into place; until one day, without his even noticing, those very things became a part of what he loved about her. they eventually just fell out of it the same way.

I felt like the description of their whole relationship was a very true depiction of how real relationships sometimes play out. How sometimes familiarity breeds both liking and contempt in equal measure. How it's easy to take someone for granted and yet resent them in the same breath. You played that so naturally throughout the whole story (I'm thinking specifically about Xander raging about a pottery class in an earlier section) that, now that they're finally split, it's easy to feel Xander's dichotomous regret and relief.

(Continued)

[identity profile] dimestorefind.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
But on the mixed up topic of the loss of both Spike and Anya you’ve really effectively captured Xander’s despair: Forced forward only by momentum, and he's thankful for it, but it's not enough…there are too many hours when he finds himself able to do little more than lift a glass. /Laundry piles in corners, and he decides to grow a beard. Or anyway, he stops shaving. /He guesses it's pretty bad in here, but he can't bring himself to care. It's comforting, in a way, to have his outsides match his insides. I especially like how nonchalant he is about it. He’s totally despondent yet he retains this saturnine humor, and it gives him a sense of perspective, but even that's not enough to clarify things in his mind. Which is, of course, why he needs Willow to be the agent of his epiphany: It's Spike that he misses; Spike he's been mourning. Spike's face he's seen, every night in his dreams. Spike's face as it looked the moment Xander had answered. The moment he'd told Spike no. How very true that he needs his best friend to facilitate his revelation.

I will say, though, that I was a little let down by the moment of Xander's realization. While I definitely saw the transition in the conversation, the way Xander would move from thinking about Anya to thinking about Spike, I was still much more on the Anya like of thought than the Spike one. This: "What I can't figure out," she continues, genuinely perplexed, "is how you never saw it coming. Other than by being total avoidance-guy, that is. Like, the two of you fought constantly! And what did you talk about when you weren't fighting, anyway? I could never imagine it. What did you have in common? You were like apples and oranges!" You just spent the entire preceding story showing us just how well Spike and Xander get along, and how they don't fight constantly (or at all: "there's a strained solicitousness between them, a kind of after-you-no-after-you exaggerated courtesy) anymore, how much they share. Willow's point is still very true for the Anya relationship, but I don't think it can be fairly attributed to the Spike one, even if Xander is wallowing in self-pity and denial. He's done a lot of growing through this narrative, and I'd like to think that he would be able to refute that one on his own.

I don't want to spoil anything for you, please know that! I feel like I'm raining on your parade a little by saying that the moment didn't have as much impact as I think it could've/should've. Obviously the message translated, and I'm just one opinion, etc etc etc.

That said, I particularly liked this Willow line: "I don't want to undermine your masculinity, not that I could, 'cause you've got buckets of it, mister." Haha, of all the things to be concerned about, Willow, I’m glad that you’ve remembered to ensure his masculinity.

The reunion was well choreographed and executed: all he can think is that he needs to see Spike. That he has to see Spike, right now./ And the moment [Willow] exits stage right, he's grabbing his keys and he's gone./"What's after you?" Spike shouts, tearing toward him. He plunges heedlessly through the door. Both of them rushing headlong out the door without thinking about what happens next, just each other. Then realizing that they both don't even know what to do and resorting to their old standbys: obstinacy and denial.

This - Xander cringes at the words, at what's in Spike's voice, because it isn't rage, or bitterness, or scorn -- it's disgust. As if Spike can't stand the sight of him, as if he hates him, the way he used to hate him, back when Xander couldn't care less whether Spike hated him or not. - was particularly poignant for me, because Xander still wasn't seeing that Spike is disgusted with himself. Other lines I loved: I'm sorry hand, Xander thinks./He sounds ruined./"...You're a rotten, selfish bastard, and I won't. I won't. You're not worth it, Harris. It's me saying no this time, all right? I don't want you."

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[identity profile] dimestorefind.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I won't lie, I was pretty pleased to see Spike stand up for himself and make Xander cry. I think that kind of fight (with himself and with Xander) is very true to Spike's character and could see him battling with himself while Xander's falling apart, not wanting to give in but unable to help it.

Furthermore, I'm glad Xander broke down. It's pure schadenfreude, but he should be crying, and he should be upset and he should be looking down the long barrel of regret and seeing that he has no one to blame but himself. This is what I was talking missing about in a previous comment, where normally the offender gets off easy? But you didn't let him off easy, just because it works out in the end doesn't diminish the pain of the moment, and it's been more than a moment - he's been dragging around for weeks. His pain and regret is real and it doesn't look like everything is going to work out and that's what I wanted him to feel. So, thank you for this; it's part of what really made the reconciliation believable to me, because now they've both been hurt and are on the same page about where they stand with each other. They can start over.

The thing that really sold me on their reconciliation, however, was the use of the parallel/echoed lines: "What do you want?" [Spike] asks./"What do you want, Spike?" he asks./"Xander, it’s all right. I'm not going anywhere. I'm here, love. I'm staying right here."/"I'm here, love. I'm staying right here." That simple thing did so. much. to sell me on the fact that they really understand each other, and where they're coming from, and what it all means. Especially since Xander is doing the echoing, it shows that he really heard and appreciated what Spike was saying, or not saying, and wanted him to understand that he meant exactly the same thing. By wanting, above all, for Xander to be okay. For Xander to be happy. And suddenly, it's more than just nice, sitting there with Spike, because Xander gets that he is happy -- really and truly happy. That he's happy being with Spike. That he's happy because of Spike. That he can make Spike happy, too. Insert big, happy, relieved sigh from me, as I was pretty concerned that this wasn't going to end happily. As someone above mentioned, you did a good job hedging your bets, and I had attempted to come to terms with the fact that I was gonna walk away sad. Not so! I'm glad I didn't have to, and I'm sorry it took me so long to tell you so. Hopefully the length of this treatise reflects the level of enjoyment I had with your story and was worth all the waiting you had to do to get it.

(PS: I thought the Hugo quote you included at the end was perfect, and I was really glad to see where the title fit in.)

(PPS: I'm pretty embarrassed at how long this got [which I am just now realizing after having to split it twice], sorry if it's overwhelming or unwelcome!)

[identity profile] dimestorefind.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, you're in NYC, yes? I hope you and yours didn't suffer too much Sandy fallout and that everyone is safe!

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-11-09 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
First of all, no apologies necessary. Second, OF COURSE your absence was missed, and I'm so excited to hear from you, because I'd pretty much resigned myself to the idea that you were disappointed with the last chapter, and it's a huge relief to hear otherwise. What got me nervous was: I'd always thought of this, structure-wise, as a backward love story -- a backward fairy tale, really, with a backward fairy tale kiss at the end; and it's only after your comment about kiss-and-make-up endings that it hit me: yeah, a kiss-and-make-up ending is exactly what I wrote, and maybe it's not going to work. So I'm happy that wasn't the case.

On the issue of Xander's moment of realization: this is the first thing I've written that was written out of order, and the ending was one of the first things I wrote. So I can see where you're coming from, and maybe I didn't adapt the ending enough to comport with the in-between parts that I wrote subsequently. My thought was that Xander, in an unconscious way, is thinking that Willow is discussing his contentious relationship with Spike because, in his mind, that's what their relationship still is to everyone else. That people get a fixed idea about what a particular relationship is, and so no one else has seen how Spike and Xander have changed as people, and toward each other. (Kind of the same way that in season 6, the Scubies are largely oblivious, or in denial, about how Buffy is a different person, and about how Spike has evolved, and therefore are blind to the clues that point to the truth that they're involved). I didn't think what Willow was saying would jar him out of thinking about Spike, because in his mind it would be natural for Willow to be describing her view of that relationship as combative. But the intent doesn't matter so much if it didn't come off to you as a reader. And no, you're not raining on my parade. On the contrary, I really appreciate this kind of feedback. I'm just sorry that it was a bit of a let down for you.

Regarding Xander's semi-numbed out, mechanical state of mind after the loss of both Anya and Spike: I love stories that deal with the aftermath of loss, and the first story I ever wrote is specifically about this. If you care to read it, it's Remembered, If Outlived.

I'm so glad the other stuff worked for you, and that the reconciliation didn't feel rushed or forced. And yeah, Xander needed to feel the pain. But now that I feel free to discuss further the issue of Spike resigning himself to love: what I wanted was for that to happen -- for Spike to reach the point where he's once again willing to accept less than he should; but then have Xander seeing this quality be the thing that pushes him into the full realization of how much he loves Spike. I was itching to bring this up in our previous discussion, but obviously couldn't.

The Hugo quote: I could not for the life of me come up with a title I liked for this. It was very frustrating. And one day, during the time I was working up my nerve to post, I glanced over at something the person next to me on the subway was reading, and that quote was highlighted in pink highlighter. My heart actually started racing, it felt so perfect to me.

Once again, I can't thank you enough for all the thoughtful and interesting and constructive feedback you've given me, and also for the Buffy talk in general. It's really been wonderful, and deeply appreciated.

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-11-09 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and thanks for asking about the hurricane. My home was totally untouched, although my office was shut down for a week and things are still a little crazy. I feel really lucky that mostly everyone I know came through okay.

[identity profile] dimestorefind.livejournal.com 2012-11-12 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
RE: Kiss-and-make-up endings. This may seem semantic, but I would call your ending a make-up-and-then-kiss ending rather than a kiss-and-make-up one, and the order of those actions really makes all the difference. In a K&MA it’s the kiss/affection that generally triggers the forgiveness, and is what makes me feel cheated re: apology. In your ending the kiss comes after they already come to an understanding, and so the apology/forgiveness doesn’t feel insincere or forced. That probably doesn’t make much sense but it’s how I feel so whatever.

RE: Xander’s realization. Okay, I’m with you on where Xander’s “thinking that Willow is discussing his contentious relationship with Spike because, in his mind, that's what their relationship still is to everyone else.” I guess maybe I’d’ve liked to see a line strongly dissociating Anya from the bulk of his grief. Or maybe a rearrangement of the lines you already have? Something to draw the attention directly to Spike and away from Anya exactly at the moment of his epiphany, then the tumble of thoughts that come as all the connections are made. I’ve been looking specifically at the part that goes from But he's shocked anyway… all the way to the moment he'd told Spike no.

Anyway, that’s just one woman’s opinion. Like I said before, the message came through, and obviously your other readers didn’t see any problems, but I really wanted to feel the emotional punch in the gut the same way Xander did, and I didn’t. The absence was what was noticeable.

RE Spike’s resignation: “what I wanted was for … Spike to reach the point where he's once again willing to accept less than he should; but then have Xander seeing this quality be the thing that pushes him into the full realization of how much he loves Spike.” Yes. I really like this also because Xander gets to hear from Spike that he’s “not worth it,” and Xander must resign himself to the fact that he’s messed this up beyond repair and he can never have that back. Only once that happens does Spike’s resignation kick in and in that way Xander can really understand the depth of Spike’s feeling. That’s what sold it for me.

I’m gonna make my way over to Remembered, If Outlived as soon as I get a chance, and you’ll probably see a comment from me there (though I can’t promise it’ll be soon). Thanks for the great read and I’m looking forward to more of your work!

thank you!!

[identity profile] consumedly.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved everything, everything! It's so beautiful and full of struggles, hate, hope and everything that's in bewtween, it seemed so real!!

Re: thank you!!

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-11-09 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, you really did plow right through it! Which is totally flattering. I'm so, so glad you liked it. It was a hard one to write, and it took a lot for me to get up the nerve to post it, so getting feedback like this is beyond wonderful.

Thank you, thank you.

[identity profile] mojee.livejournal.com 2012-11-23 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. Your story has lifted and inspired me and taught me many thing about myself. I am enriched for having read it.

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2012-11-23 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I had to wait a while, and kind of catch my breath, before responding to this comment. And I'm still not really sure what to say, except that you've made me insanely happy. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[identity profile] singedbylife.livejournal.com 2013-07-27 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
First of, Xander's thoughts ARE Xander. I hear him perfectly .

Secondly your writing is beautiful.

And lastly, the ending is wonderful. I sighed blissfully when their lips finally met in a mutual kiss, their unspoken declaration of love.

It's perfect as it is but I wouldn't mind, say a drabble from the first time one or both of them say it out loud :) look, I just don't want it end, alright! :)

[identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com 2013-07-27 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
First of all, thank you so much for all of your incredible comments. I'm thrilled that you liked the story and the writing.

I think I mentioned somewhere else in the comments that I had really mixed feelings about this story coming to an end. I worked on it on and off for such a long time, and the sex scenes were a real challenge, and I kept adding more and more scenes and then editing and editing...so I was ecstatic to be done with it, but afterwards, I was sort of blue that it was over. So getting feedback like this, coming some months later, really makes me happy.